Marriage and Us
Are you recently engaged, newlyweds, or married for years and looking to learn even more about the art of marriage? Hosts Rob and Robin Atkins discuss what they've learned with honesty, humor, and gospel mindedness. In 34 years of marriage and 10 years as pre and post marriage coaches they practice what they teach. A podcast designed for couples with old tools or no tools wanting to maximize their life together with simple principles that can transform your marriage.
Marriage and Us
S3E02 - Embracing a Real Marriage
Join Rob and Robin as they dive deep into the heart of what it truly means to be married. In this episode, they explore the idealized images of marriage and the contrast with real-life love. Discover how love transcends mere emotions and those fleeting tingles, as they discuss moving beyond the initial fireworks and romance. Together, they unpack the expectations society places on marriage and share insights on nurturing a deeper, more meaningful connection over time. Tune in for an authentic conversation that celebrates the beauty of embracing a real marriage!
Music by - Roger Jaeger - from the album (Fall Off the Earth)
Produced by - Jared Nester
Outro by - Madison Nester
Hi, I'm Rob and I'm Robin. Thanks for listening to Marriage and Us. Each week we will talk about real-life topics that couples experience in everyday married life. So let's get to today's episode. Welcome back in everybody.
Speaker 2:Hey guys.
Speaker 1:How's everybody doing?
Speaker 2:I know we always ask that, but Well, hopefully they answer in their mind. Okay.
Speaker 1:When they're listening to us. If you, if this you know, we talked about this so many times. If this is your first time tuning in to us my name is Rob.
Speaker 2:And I'm Robin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so thanks for joining us. We love talking about marriage, we love being married, but helping people that are married or want to get married, so yeah, so that's why we do what we do.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Do not know where you're at when you're listening to this podcast, but it is very cold across the country right now. Very cold, yes, Some places colder than others. Minus degrees. I mean, like this morning it was like eight here in Lewisburg. That's the first time I think I've said that. So, we have moved outside of Nashville. Some of you know that we have bought a farm, living that farm life as we say now.
Speaker 2:There are no animals here, though. No no animals, no, it's just. It's property that at one point was a farm.
Speaker 1:We have a few Byzantine animals at times.
Speaker 2:Wild animals.
Speaker 1:Well, we've had a few cows from our neighbors, true, that have showed up. A rooster We've had a rooster. You've had a lengthy conversation with that. Well, I need to post that so people can see that. But we have deer, lots of deer. We have a hawk who we've named Hammond.
Speaker 2:Yes, which means high protector. It does exactly, and he's protecting us from the field mice that I don't want to have in my house.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly. So yes, when I bush hogged recently when we first moved, that sounds so cool to say that when I bush hogged, that's a man thing.
Speaker 2:I guess For those people who don't know what that means.
Speaker 1:Have a tractor, which sounds super cool. Again, I'm just very cool, evidently have a tractor and bush hog is actually a brand, but anyway, it's what you do when you mow down hay or tall grass.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's made me pretty much the envy of every man at our church. Can you verify and testify to that?
Speaker 2:I would say yes. A lot of our friends, definitely the men that we know that we are friends with, all mentioned that they would like to come out here and drive the tractor, so we maybe we'll sell tickets.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Yeah, something, I like that. I like it. Today we are actually. We listened to a excerpt. Did I say that right? Yes, I believe so.
Speaker 2:Thank you Just want to make sure, did I say that?
Speaker 1:right? Yes, I believe so, thank you. Just want to make sure A gentleman on, we listen to all kinds of different podcasts and you know things on YouTube and his name was are you going to say it for me?
Speaker 2:Yeah, his name is I think it's pronounced Strahan Coleman.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly. So I just want to give him a little credit. And he was talking about he was relating marriage and how you go into marriage, and then, of course, he goes on to talk about how we relate that to God as well too. But today's episode we are timely embracing a real marriage. What does that look like? What does it look like when you if you're about to get married or you've just gotten married, and what if you've been married for a while? What does that look like? What does it look like when you if you're about to get married or you've just gotten married, and what if you've been married for a while? What does that look like? Now, that's kind of the when you say, that's the kind of the premise of yes, of what he brought.
Speaker 2:What he brought up, uh, that we heard in conversation. Well, not in conversation, we're not actually talking to him.
Speaker 1:No, we're just watching him. Yeah, it feels that way because he was very personal. It really struck home. I guess is why it feels like a conversation.
Speaker 2:So the question he proposed is do you marry the idea of the person in front of you on your wedding day more than the person that's standing in front of you on your wedding day?
Speaker 2:Right Images or an idea of what you think they are and what they actually are and what they develop over time who they develop into being yes, and so I thought that was such a great question, because you know we've all been there. If you're married, yes, you're. You know you remember your wedding day standing there looking at your spouse and you look beautiful, by the way.
Speaker 2:Thank you. And the idea of who you think they are and what your marriage will look like, and then, as time moves forward, who you think they are and what your marriage will look like, and then as time moves forward, well, why do you think that I don't want to move off of that as quick?
Speaker 1:So why do you think that, going back to that, thinking about your marriage day, and then you've met that person? Because he brought up the reason I want to interject this, because he was talking about love, because love is such a huge emotion.
Speaker 1:The emotional side of love right Emotional side of love, of what that is, because most of the time, would you agree that we associate love with a feeling Sure, I feel loved. I mean most people don't say I think I'm in love. I mean I guess you could say that, but it really comes down to how it makes your heart feel and understand. Because that's where that statement comes from, because love truly is blind, because we're so enamored with this person in the beginning of this, what we're talking about today, this image or idea of what we think they are and what our marriage and what love is going to look like. So I just wanted to throw that in your train of thought as you keep going.
Speaker 2:Yes. So yes, it's all about who we think the person is and it is definitely based from what I'm hearing you say just now. It's based a lot of it's based on how that person makes you know us, made us feel how like in our case you and I, how you made me feel right is how I associated my love for you right um and I think you've used words like safe.
Speaker 1:You've described that's how I made you feel safe and heard. Those are words that I've heard you say before countless times, which means a lot to me, obviously.
Speaker 2:Sure, and just the whole romantic notion of love, I think, is something that we all experience for the most part, you know, and especially as women, you know there are not many little girls that aren't planning their wedding day or thinking about that. You know from early childhood, yeah, so it's all. It's kind of engrafted in that to our expectations of the wedding day. Right, that's a big word expectation.
Speaker 1:We've talked about that a lot, so move forward with that thought. Like wedding day, there's expectations. Yes, we've touched on that many times. But like now, you're married.
Speaker 2:Right, right and I think that.
Speaker 1:What is that expectation?
Speaker 2:Exactly, the emotions are still there, but then, I think, you're also faced with the idea of the person you married, and now you're really experiencing the fullness of who that person is, because you're living under the same roof. Yeah, and there is reality, definitely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they have bad breath when you wake up in the morning. What? That's not the way it is on the movies. What do you mean? They don't wear makeup to bed. You know these new things? Well, some women do. Maybe they do it probably messes up the pillowcases, right, I'm all right, ladies, yeah.
Speaker 2:So when you think, as time moves on from that wedding day now to married life, I think you realize that the person you've married is probably way more complex and complicated and they're not going away.
Speaker 1:I mean, but that's the truth. I mean and I understand. I mean whatever your journey was to get to where you are, and you know, being married, I understand those are different things. People have different circumstances, so there's no judgment here with that, but for a lot of us it's new. This is like I'm waking up with this person every day. And even I'll say this and we've talked to a lot of couples about this because we've always tried to be transparent there is a difference between that moment where you're living together if that's where your journey has been to when you say, I do. Now you're married, there's a change in your emotions, your psychology, how your brain functions. It's just. These are all proven facts.
Speaker 2:Right. I mean we've met with a lot of couples that aren't living together before they're married. But we have sat in council. You know some people that and I think that they think that makes you know if they walk into married life makes it a little more bulletproof because they've lived together and they know. But yes, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2:It's so fascinating how that even those people come back and go, wow, it's different, yeah, so, so, yeah, that's so true, but you know, I think that once you get past that, you know again. It's that old saying of the honeymoon phase.
Speaker 1:The fireworks, the tingles, the romance of being with somebody being pursued, Sure yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, and now it's like daily married life is kicked in and yeah, and now you're at this place, you know where that initial love that drew you together, that you know was there and that's why you wanted to marry each other. I think what we heard Strahan talking about, he was talking about a second love that can come into play.
Speaker 4:That's developed over it is developed.
Speaker 2:Yes Over time, Because you choose it and that second love basically is okay, I've married you, but now I know more about you. I see how complex you are as an individual.
Speaker 1:And now, that's a big word, complex. Yeah, now I have the choice do you think it may ask you, think you would have thought about that word in your heart and your mind, your thoughts like when we were getting married, like to say this is going to be very complex because no yeah yeah, no, not at all.
Speaker 2:I mean it's we had a very wild courtship because we really barely dated and we got married. Sure, we're very strange, most of our relationship was more based on phone calls than it was to actually see each other face to face. I'm not recommending this at all.
Speaker 1:We are a living miracle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we really beat the odds. But you know, we have met with so many couples now over the years. Um, you know, you really. You really see over and over again, though, this pattern of what, uh, each person thinks married life is going to be life like, or, or who, or they think they really know each other and then we start, you know, asking questions and find that we don't. But going back to my, my thought while ago is that second love is a deeper love that says I, I see how complex you are right how complicated of an individual you are, and now I'm going to choose to really love you and accept you.
Speaker 2:Right, and that second love is such a deep, it is a deeper love. Right you know, and I think that's so amazing.
Speaker 1:Well, you said this to me before we got on recording today, because we obviously we were talking about today's episode and we were trying to look back and think about ourselves when we were, you know, in our late 20s, right, and for me it was like whoa, I think it hit me. That's why I had such a when we were talking about this episode. I had such a I know this word gets used a lot, but it's just the fact of what it is A trigger of like, oh wow, I wish and I know we hear this all the time If you could talk to your younger self, what would you say? That's?
Speaker 4:a question.
Speaker 1:You hear all the time and I was thinking about that guy, the 20-something like the mid-20s. Yeah, exactly the 28, you know that guy, like you know, talking to him and saying man, come on, because what triggered in me when you were asking me these questions are like can you? Well, let's go back.
Speaker 2:I was asking you. I said you know, if we can go back and look at ourselves when we were maybe two or three years in?
Speaker 2:Right and we got married in 1990., we were maybe two or three years in and we got married in 1990. So we're talking about 1992, 1993. That was a little ways back, but if we could carry ourselves back into that time and try to stir up the memories of what? Married life was like for us back then what are some things that we realized after two or three years of marriage? That that it was like oh you're, I'll go back to the complex you're really complex aren't you. And complicated and what were some things that we had to adjust?
Speaker 2:in our own thinking and learn to love in the other person so that our love that second love that deeper love would carry us To where we are now To where we are now yes.
Speaker 1:Well, you said two things. One you said something just before we started recording that you said you had to learn because I am a big personality, I get that, you know. I walk into a room, I'm going to meet everybody, talk to everybody, and in those places I'm very extroverted. I'm going to meet everybody, talk to everybody, and in those places I'm very extroverted.
Speaker 3:But you said, one of the big adjustments was learning to know how I processed was very introverted, yeah, almost like a complete opposite side of you.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know, and, and when we were dating, uh, I don't think we argued that much, so I didn't, I didn't experience that introverted side of you. I just knew you as you're a musician and, yes, you're, you know, very talkative. You walk into a room and, um, you would engage anybody in the room and conversation, um, I'm, I'm an extrovert, you know, I, I get, uh, I get a lot of energy from people and so, you know, I'm thinking, oh, I'm marrying someone who's so much like me, he's extroverted like me, um, and so we are, and we are.
Speaker 2:But when it came to arguing and disagreements, I'm still an extrovert. I want to. I mean in disagreements, I'm still an extrovert. I want to. I mean in my mind I'll say it like this you know, I want, I want to do whatever work is necessary to get to the resolve, no matter how long it takes. You know that that was how I thought back then and I did not expect in any way shape or form that when we would get in arguments you were actually not very engaged in conversation you would get quieter, and one we you know one of it one had to do with, like you had a father. That that was, you know, pretty rough and tumble and not easy to deal with and when it came to arguing, so part of it you were shutting down Right.
Speaker 2:So part of it you were shutting down, right, so part of it you were shutting down. And then, secondly, though, that introverted side of you that really comes to the surface in arguing, always want space to process before you would say something which is completely opposite to what my expectation was. So I think that was a huge piece of well, not piece, but that was a huge obstacle. You know that we had to learn.
Speaker 1:Well, it was an expectation. That's what we're talking about. Yeah, I'm trying to think of the right word Because of the image that you had, which I hope you're, as a couple as you're listening to this today. That's what we're talking about the images that we have, which have developed our expectation of what we think marriage one looks like in the beginning, to which we're going to touch on in just a minute learning how to get to that deeper place of love, because you begin to learn how to navigate and you choose, like what you said a while ago, you begin to choose to love the person you're married to and go okay, I love them. And for us to go deeper, I've got to understand how they view this and it's different than how I would.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, and I think another piece to the puzzle when it comes to like for us, with the adjustment of how we would argue, for me, a big part of why I wanted to get to the resolve is when we would have tools that we use. And you know you're talking about so many years later, decades since those first few years.
Speaker 2:Yes, Sometimes that Once it's decades it just sounds so long I know right, but that thought will still kind of come up because I don't like feeling disconnected but I had. What I shifted in my own thinking is I'm willing to give you space to process and be very uncomfortable and feeling disconnected. If in the long run we will, I will feel connected to you because we have a stronger chance of getting to hopefully resolve being the number one thing we would want to get to, or at least an understanding that still felt, like you know, resolving but wouldn't you say let's take that topic and move it to where we are now in our relationship and deeper love?
Speaker 1:I didn't know how to give you what you needed in that moment. When you needed again, you felt disconnected. So when I would shut down, I would leave you just hanging out there with nothing, no conversation. No, I've heard you. No, we'll talk about it later. It was just I shut down and walked to another room or whatever. The case may have been. Back there, Versus now what you just said. We've developed skills where I can say, hey, I need some time to process that. I need time to think about how I want to reply to that, Because you understand for me that the time I need is because I want to be able to convey to you what my emotions are, what my thoughts are, what my feelings are, all those words, so I can give you what you need, Because if I do it just in the moment, I could easily have fallen back into what I saw my dad do, and you know that about me now you didn't. Again, going back to that point, you didn. You know that about me now, you didn't again going back to that.
Speaker 1:You didn't know that about me then? So, understanding that that's my thought, I think I don't think. Well, I know because you've told me that helps you stay connected to me. It decreases that amount where you feel disconnected. Would you agree? Yes, because you understand that I am thinking about what you said and how important what you said is to me.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right. Yeah, I agree, that's the deepening of the love that we didn't have in the beginning, right, because we didn't know how to get there.
Speaker 2:I will say I don't like. There are times when we argue, even now, that, like I said, there can be that fleeting thought. I'm like you know, man, we're disconnected and I just hate that feeling.
Speaker 1:But you do know that I feel the same.
Speaker 2:Sure so, but what I was going to say is it's a fleeting. It is a fleeting thought, Okay. You know it's something that just kind of flies, kind of flies through my thoughts, in and out of my thoughts, but the reminder why is that?
Speaker 2:the reminder is because where we're at now and what we've developed, yes, I mean oh yeah, absolutely yeah, right, where it can be a fleeting thought, and then I say no, that's not true at all. Um, you know that that's a silly thought, because I know we are connected for one thing, even when we're in an argument, we're not necessarily like disconnected from the standpoint of like I don't know something very serious, as much as it's like oh, we're having a misunderstanding and our marriage is rock solid, but it's just in this moment, right now. It just yeah, we're a little out of sync. We're just yeah, we're not on the same page.
Speaker 1:Right, which for us has been these last few months, is probably not probably due to the move that we bought new property. Some of you know that we just recently moved in the last few months, so the holidays were here, thanksgiving. So my job situation, your job now your traveling father to get to work? We were and we said that and we did recognize we're out of sync. Sure, and because our patterns have changed.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And it made us help me here. Not I don't know if disconnected is the right word, but it was just like you said we were out of sync because things weren't, it was out of our norm and it made it feel uncomfortable. I mean you've told me that. And so and I told you the same thing. I think we brought that up one day. I said, hey, you know we're, are you sensing it too? We're out of sync and we recognize, and we talked about it.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I think, because you do get into rhythms in marriage where you uh, yeah, you just life is predictable in a way, you have patterns that you've set up and they feel, yeah, you just life is predictable in a way, you have patterns that you've set up and they feel great, you know. And then yeah, for us this was a huge move. We had lived in our last home for 13 years. I mean, 13 years is a long time.
Speaker 2:It is and developing, yeah, how we just do life 24-7. And then we move. Not only do we move to a new home, we move, we go from living in the city, like in the heart of the city, to way out in the country. So everything's changed, you know.
Speaker 1:And so, yeah, if you mix into all that change, any form of distress or things feeling uncomfortable, it's the perfect uh, you know concoction to so what I hear you saying to bring up arguments yes, you know to argue, to argue with each other what I hear you saying and this not necessarily in our topic today, but what I hear you saying is be willing to recognize and ask your spouse hey, are we out of sync? What's causing it? I mean those are great discussions to have, I mean because we, you know again, we knew what was going on, but just saying those things out loud, for the lack of a better term took the power away from the separation. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that we both recognized hey, this is where we're at in this moment, but we have longevity to prove everything that, like you said, our marriage is rock solid. We're just. This is a temporary moment. Right, we're not going to make it, we're not going to camp out here.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:There's an adjustment that's happening and we recognize it and that I think that goes back to what you were saying earlier, versus where we were when we first got married to where you are now, because I'd written this down. I know this is a statement, we're not the first to hear it and won't be the last. But so many couples ask us that have been married a short amount of time or get to these moments where they're having, you know, these expectations are not being met. That does it get easier? You know, and we were talking about this in the car the other day and we kind of went back and forth I think it's the word easier and I asked you, I said help me when you hear that word easy. And you know the couples that have asked us before, or even listening, like does it get easier? What do you think they're asking and how do we help them navigate that thought of where they're at?
Speaker 2:Right because they can to say it's the further we go into marriage, you know it's just going to get easy, it'll be easier. I think the definition of easier can be different from couple to couple. Right so if easier means I don't have to put much effort into it.
Speaker 1:That's what I was wanting you to get to.
Speaker 2:You know, I don't know if that's true, but if easier means. You know, we're early on in our marriage and we have disagreements about certain things and it seems hard sometimes.
Speaker 2:And my hope is, over time, when we argue we learn how to argue well, because we talk about that arguing well, which some people that's like what, but you know to argue in a way that's provides productive conflict. That will lead to good resolution. And if your hope is, you know as you go along in marriage that that will get easier, then that's a great goal to have right.
Speaker 1:So you know again, it's all about the definition, but that's what you and I were talking about in the car. I think that's where you've got to be careful with what your definition of easier is. If it means, like you said, if you're thinking, easier means there's less effort.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So I'm hearing myself say that out loud. There's truth even into that, like what we were just sharing about the analogy of where we are now. It's less effort because, like you even said, it was a fleeting thought it does become easier and there's less effort, but you've had to put the work in and develop the tools so that when you have those moments it doesn't last as long, where you don't feel disconnected, where you don't feel out of sync. Right.
Speaker 1:And it's being able to. It's just hitting me. It's again one of the number one things we share with everyone. Are you asking one healthy questions? And when you're asking these questions, it's beneficial. Are we out of sync? Are we about to have an argument? Saying those things out loud is a huge part of development and learning how to have a deeper love.
Speaker 2:Yes. So going back again to what we've been talking about since the beginning, so when you're a young couple getting married and you have the idea of what you think your marriage is, and then, as time moves on and you realize there's a lot of complexity and and things are complicated, maybe a little more than what you, your expectation was walking in what are some things that can be helpful?
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I'll ask you what are some things you think can be helpful in navigating and working through those differences so that your love can deepen.
Speaker 1:Are you asking me that? Yeah, whoa. Well, you asked me this kind of earlier when we were getting ready and, like I said, it triggered some things for me because the guy I looked back then I'd like to be able to say who you were back then, who I was back then?
Speaker 1:I'd like to be able to talk to that guy and say, look, I think, as a man, what I sense when I look back, I look at missed opportunities, not only for growth in myself but growth in our marriage. But then I also which is what you encouraged me I had to remind myself where I was then, what I came out of, what was my example and all those things that I pulled in, like we're not the first to say the luggage that I carried. Maybe I had a trunk, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe my unknown wheels, a lot of baggage, yeah, that we bring into marriage.
Speaker 1:That I brought in that until we got married. To be honest, I didn't know how to. I didn't realize. To be honest, I know this sounds, I don't mean this as a I didn't know. I had some of those things to be honest yeah, but I didn't know I had some of those things, to be honest, yeah, but you know I didn't know that, like what you said, your expectation to what I was was based on some what you saw, your mom and dad and vice versa I had too many assumptions and learning how to go.
Speaker 1:okay, wait a minute.
Speaker 3:that's not healthy and letting you in on that, that was a big breakthrough for me.
Speaker 1:So the guy that I am now and the guy that I was then are, in some ways, totally two different people, yet I'm the same person. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think that's what we're trying to say when we say expectations. You know our love is stronger than ever and I'm still, you know, a little less hair or whatever I'm. You know I'm getting in farmer shape, evidently. What that is, you know. Out there I'm tearing down buildings, whatever I feel great about that part and I'm driving a tractor. So that's super cool. But who I am now? The patience, I think that's the patience. I think that's. I know we don't talk about that word a lot in marriage, but the patience you had for me and the patience I had to learn to develop for myself because that that's the thing I've had to overcome the most is who is shame or, you know, feeling guilty about not handling something well the right way. I think that's what makes it deepen, because, I've said this so many times your ability to love me through is what we're really saying. That's what real love is. That's why we're saying it deepens, because it's not just no longer superficial, it's not just fireworks, which are great. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But there's a depth that comes to it, because you really that's what we're trying to say today embracing a real marriage. You learn to love the person for who they are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so good. Thank you for that. Yeah, that's awesome. I love you. I love you. It's one of the things I love so much about you. I like it when you get passionate and teary eyed and I know you guys can't seem, but it's just, it's. It's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So good Thanks, and so we just want to encourage you. I know in some ways this podcast may sound like it's more for, you know, couples that haven't been married very long. Um are couples that are walking into marriage, but I want to say it's for couples of all ages, because, uh, one thing that we were talking about is that you know as as um as we all age. You know the, the person that I was in my twenties, thirt 40s and now 50s um you know, there's keep going, there's one more, we're in.
Speaker 2:Now we're in 60s, the very beginning of the 60s. Um, yeah, that there's always um areas that you realize that you work on and and how you love each other, and even your mindsets and how you think about things, and there's just things that are always changing and that will, um, work well if you are open-minded to love your spouse, choose and you choose to love them yes For who they are. And I will say, as a spouse, when you realize that, like in your case, when I realized that you are loving me for who I am, I think for me, what that does, is it unlocks in me, like, are there areas of myself that I need to work on, though, like you know, like I know you're loving me for who I am, but, um, maybe I need to look to it.
Speaker 2:Like I think, the way I think about, like certain things, um, and so I think it also can promote wonderful growth in in, uh like for me, for me as an individual being loved so well by you and um, accepted and respected by you, um, which is really I mean. I trust you you know that.
Speaker 1:That's that's the thing. That's that's what the deeper love does. As well, too, it opens up, like you said, respect but trust. I do know in the bones of my being that you have the best in mind for me.
Speaker 2:I feel the same about you. Yes.
Speaker 1:And, as you're listening to this, we've talked to so many couples. That's something that times is tested. You don't necessarily sometimes say those things out loud, but do they really have my best interest in mind and open conversation, having those moments? You know I talked to somebody the other day. As we're closing today, you know we're again just talking about embracing a real marriage. I've got we've got 34 years invested in each other. I'm not bailing now. I choose. When I chose you, I chose you forever.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I want to do, not only for our marriage but for you and for myself, what helps to make that grow deeper and more meaningful. And I want to be an example. I want our marriage, you know, for other couples to say that's something I'm striving for. I've cried more this episode, Anyway, but it's just, it's worth the effort.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know and we honestly believe that every couple can live this way, can have a deep relationship and a deep marriage. Mm-hmm. You know, and I think that's what needs to be said more, because you hear so many things in the media and different things of why marriages won't work and people are moving away from traditional values and all that. I just I don't believe that, Right. I believe people. There are people out there that are wanting to have a great marriage. That's why we do what we do.
Speaker 2:Yep, absolutely Well. Guys, thank you for spending some time with us and listening. We appreciate it so much. You have any thoughts or comments?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Let us know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Look, look for us on Instagram. We're on Instagram marriage and us and we would love to hear what, yeah, what you think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so thanks for listening. We always appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, until next time.
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